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Post by bowdoc » Wed Jan 20, 2010 11:25 am

not many 56" maple sight window 1959 Kodiaks in captivitey ahhhh ????????? bd

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Post by Wade Phillips » Wed Jan 20, 2010 11:56 am

Doc - I have never seen a 56" Maple Sight Window 1959 Kodiak.

Several years ago, I heard rumors of the possibility of the existence of one, but those rumors quietly died and photographs of that bow never surfaced.

How about a 56" Dark Rosewood Sight Window 1959 Kodiak ???

The 1959 Kodiak was made with Dark Rosewood Sight Window in both the 60" and 64". Why no 56"?

To my limited knowledge, neither the Maple nor Dark Rosewood were shown in any photographs or mentioned in any catalogs or other documentation of the era.
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Post by bowhunterfrompast » Wed Jan 20, 2010 12:26 pm

Here's the one on ebay.



The same bow, bought last week.

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Post by bowdoc » Wed Jan 20, 2010 12:40 pm

well Wadester never thought I'd see the day you and I would both be saying it but your correct I have never seen one eather.Same story as with many hear tell but no pic and never seen one until that little gem surfaced..
I say we get a little pool going on it.I posted that on Richie's sight this morning.You have got to guess within 50 cent eather way of the winning bid bd's guess is gonna be high ???????? maybe even higher then I went on Richie's sight as I been blasted with email from guy's asking the $64,000.00 question ??? I have also been rolling coins all morning long just hopeing I might get in on the bidding.I got like $62.50 right now I may need to barrow like lets say 5 g's from one of my tight buddy's on TR bd

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Post by Mike Shaw » Wed Jan 20, 2010 2:11 pm

My guess is 2395.00..and wow 24@24. Don I got $100.00 bucks I can loan ya that's about it. ;) This one should get real interesting. Someone get the popcorn and a beer!
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Post by bowdoc » Wed Jan 20, 2010 2:40 pm

LET THE GAMES BEGAIN...............................

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Post by Simon » Wed Jan 20, 2010 2:59 pm

I wonder if the fact that the coin has been replaced can lower it’s value. The seller bought the bow without the coin and must have replaced it (see the e-bay auction in witch he bought it). I guess in this case, since it’s 56" and with a maple sight, being so rare and all, it doesnt really mater much.

I have a real nice 1960 Kodiak Special Deluxe with the wrong coin (3R) and I will eventually find an original copper coin for it and wondered if that could affect it’s value.

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Post by bowhunterfrompast » Wed Jan 20, 2010 3:18 pm

Simon...I'm no Bear expert, I understad what you are saying, but it doesn't seem to have hurt the price..so far. Just cleaning up the old bow, and knowing what it is, sure made a big difference...WOW :shock:
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Post by Trap » Wed Jan 20, 2010 5:01 pm

A "one of a kind" (maybe) 59 Kodiak. I think you fellas are being a little conservative. My guess is 5Gs+

It will be fun from here,

Good Luck Sluggers !!!!!!!

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Post by seboomook » Wed Jan 20, 2010 5:38 pm

Way out of my league, but your right, it'll be fun to watch!

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Post by stiknstringbow » Wed Jan 20, 2010 6:14 pm

The guys description is different, origional coin, marked poundage etc......?

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Post by Wade Phillips » Wed Jan 20, 2010 6:27 pm

Boy - Never guessed that I'd ever see a photograph of 56" Maple Sight Window.

Especially not one with a serial number that appears to be AA105.

I've seen several 56" 1959 Kodiaks with serial numbers lower than that one.

I have AA043 and a couple with higher numbers, AA123 and AA200. All three are purple heart.

I bid once, just so I would be able to say that I bid on it. Frankly, I'm like you Doc, I don't have any money right now. I am out of it.

Neat little bow but too dirty. too plane jane, too rough, way too light, and one too many splintered-out holes for me to get excited about to do anything stupid like selling my truck to bid on a bow...

Trap - I will take the under on your 5G guess. Let me know the amount you want to bet.

Mike - I will even take the under on you 2395.00.
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Post by Tony Wallace » Wed Jan 20, 2010 8:48 pm

Checked out the feedback left from 321bearbow to the original seller, oh-tex:

"A++ Thank You"

321Bearbow was too busy whooping and dancing a jig to type any more.

To date, oh-tex has not left any feedback.

If he is currently browsing eBay, oh-tex might say, "OH SH_ _!

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Post by bowdoc » Wed Jan 20, 2010 9:31 pm

I posted $1,546.53 on Richie sight I'am going to stay at that bd

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Post by Wade Phillips » Wed Jan 20, 2010 10:05 pm

Tony - After checking his feedback, 321Bearbow seems to know what he is doing with Bear Archery tackle.

Doc- I might even take the under on your $1,546.53.

How do you come up with the cents on that .. ???


Let's see now...., ...$1,546.53.... divided by 24 .... equals.... oh my.... $64.43 a pound.


Maybe the most expensive bow ever if calculated by the pound....


Can't get on Rich's site. Tried two different evenings and gave up. Forgot my password so tried every one I've ever had in my life. None worked. Then I finally requested a new password, but never get an email back. Probably just my own computer ignorance at fault here. Hope I haven't ticked Rich off and got myself banned over there.
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Post by Tony Wallace » Wed Jan 20, 2010 10:31 pm

Wade -

Rich's website seems to do that. I made a mistake on his password generator when I registered months ago, and then couldn't get back in as TonyW. The website never emailed me back. And to make it harder to fix, the website doesn't let you visit without officially signing in.

Weird thing about that - I wanted to check it out so I tried a new email ID and got in with another sign in name. They seemed to like this guy. Hope TonyW wasn't banned because of his association with Wade Phillips. If so, I would like to disavow any knowledge of a man known as Wade Phillips. Wade who? I would also like to distance myself from TonyW. Tony who?

Just call me Mr. Smith.

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Post by Raineman » Wed Jan 20, 2010 11:43 pm

Guys, not to sidetrack here, but if you are having problems logging on to Rich's site, please email me at rainemans71@verizon.net

I will get with Rich, yell at him really loud, and try to set things straight for you. Its not a "banning" issue, it is a blocked ip address issue that was encountered during some server problems. Not all the addresses were reset.

We now continue with your regularly scheduled program.

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Post by bowhunterfrompast » Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:46 am

Raineman...thanks for that info. I had the same problem, last week, but good to go. Unless :o

Excuse the static....back to regular programming ;)
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Post by Trap » Thu Jan 21, 2010 8:57 am

I'm good for a Soda Wade, Trap
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Post by bowdoc » Thu Jan 21, 2010 9:28 am

I have no idea where I came up with the amount just kinda popped into my head while I was typeing bd

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Post by Tony Wallace » Thu Jan 21, 2010 10:34 am

Only a really unscrupulous guy would even consider this, so here goes.

1. Take one run of the mill 1959 eighty-nine dollar Kodiak.
2. Rout out 1/8 of that disgusting rosewood sight window.
3. Get a piece of 1/8 thick maple.
4. Cut the maple to fit the shape of the routed-out sight window and glue on the veneer.
5. Leave the other side of the riser as is for a really, really, rare Kodiak, or put a maple veneer here too.
6. Sign it with your best forgery of any late lamented historic figure who doesn't have any litigious heirs.
7. Of course, nobody would ever do this, because it would be wrong.

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Post by droptine59 » Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:38 pm

Guys..

No one I know is really banned..
Over the summer, I was slammed by spammers hacking into the iste and feeding off your IP addresses. I had to ben them to stop the porno.
I created a new security measure It locked out some people.

Wade i actually need you to help fill in some blanks with the Bear history stuff on my site. I can only dig up so much..It's guys like you, Doc, Trap, and too many others to mention... that can answer most of the history questions ;)

Attention all: If you are not getting on...PM me your sign on name
IP address . I will pm you a new password that wil be politically incorrect
I will correct this over the next few days. Family member in hospital and my free time is taxed. Thanks for understanding.

back to this bow

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Post by Wade Phillips » Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:58 pm

Tony -

Several years ago I heard another collector describe nearly the same scenario for making a similar forgery. His objective was to turn a Purple Heart SW 59 into a Maple SW 59.

Sometimes there is a fine line between reality and fantasy.

I personally believe it would be nearly impossible to create such a forgery and convince all the knowledgeable collectors that the bow was 100% original.

Anytime I encounter a rare bow that I am interested in that is refinished, (or any rare bow for that matter) I go over ever inch of the bow with high power magnification to be certain that the finish is the only thing that has changed from the bow being original. Over the years, I have missed a few items with my naked eye. Those mistakes have usually proven regrettable, and expensive. I caulked those experiences up to the price of an education, which is seldom inexpensive.

I'm certain some collector's could be easliy fooled by such a bow.

I'm equally certain not all of the most knowledgeable collectors could be fooled by such a bow.

Over the past 30 odd years, I have been fortunate to be able to closely examine and photograph most of the rarest broadheads in most of the larger old time broadhead collections.

In every single one of these collections that I have closely examined, I have discovered at least one counterfeit broadhead.

Some of the original owners of these collections were deceased when I examined the collections, so I really can't say if the original owners knew the broadheads were counterfeit or not.

Either way, it is still an interesting observation for collectors to be aware of during their collecting activities.

Guess the real point in all of this rambling is that............... it is hard to fool all the people all the time.
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Post by Wade Phillips » Thu Jan 21, 2010 1:41 pm

Rich -

Glad to hear that no one is banned.

Would hate to see that sort of thing become an epidemic.

Hopefully that will remained quarantined to one spot, or maybe a cure will be found one day.

You stated... "Wade I actually need you to help fill in some blanks with the Bear history stuff on my site."

Hey... I actaully need someone to help fill in a lot of blanks with Bear history stuff in my brain.

My brain isn't very large, so probably won't take much to fill it up.

Will PM you my sign on name and IP address, if I can find it.

Come to think of it, I'll just stop by the Post Office today and ask them what my IP address is. :rolf:

The blond lady at the Post Office counter is always so helpful. :rolf:

Reminds of a guy who send me an email several years ago looking for some information. I emailed him back and asked him to send me his snail mail address so I could send him a hard copy of the information. He emailed me back and said he would check with his new Internet Provider to find out his snail mail address as he didn't know it yet. I then emailed him back and explained what snail mail was. He was embarrassed. Hope that was none of you guys.

Oh, yes, the 56" Kodiak specs in the 1959 Bear catalog...
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Post by droptine59 » Thu Jan 21, 2010 1:55 pm

Cool Wadee..

So from that awesome chart I see the 56" bow was made for midgets? Not many back in that era. Marijuana was not that popular then.

Regardless...

I happened to have contact with the seller of the bow. I think I may have upset him some how :o


I asked about how he got bow clean and coin in the bow as old auction for it shows it all beat up with tape residue.

His response:
The Bow is in Original condition nothing was Repaired Touched up or Hidden i desribe Bow Exactly How it is. The Bow shoots Nice I probably shouldnt of strung it and shot but had to make sure,, i can see i was Taking a Big Risk. i could of just bought it and never given anybody a shot at it too ya know.

My assessment:
he knows , we know , what they knew, when they where told.. or something like that

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Post by Wade Phillips » Thu Jan 21, 2010 2:08 pm

Rich -

Wouldn't we all have a coronary if the guy is really straight up in what he said and now has two 56" 1959 Maple Sight Window Kodiaks in his possession....

:shock: :shock: :shock:

Guess stranger things may have happened, but I can't think of any off hand.
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Post by adirondackbear » Thu Jan 21, 2010 2:10 pm

Wow so THIS is the place all those real psycotic collectors hang out ! :roll: HI everyone ! the other site wasnt the same and had know idea this one existed... :oops: NICE ..now i can keep my History lessons going... I think that bow will go way over 2000$ hope not but ... I am glad im here Hope everyone had a good 2009 ... adirondackbear,,,aka Abear,,,,,aka Chris ;)

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Post by Wade Phillips » Thu Jan 21, 2010 2:18 pm

Chris - Good to see you found us.

Hey, I thought you liked those heavy weight 59's like that Internet incident last year.

Sounds like you are going to bid on the 56" MSW. Good luck.

If I had any money, I would give the dirty little, lightweight rascal a go.

Was thinking of selling a couple of other 59s now that interest seems to be peaking in Rare 59s....

Have an extra 60" Rosewood Sight Window, 59 Kodiak... that was upgraded last year and lost its place on the rack of 59s...

Another Rare Bear... for real original condition... no coin replaced on this one as it was never drilled for a coin.

Long, narrow paper label taped on riser but is obscured by the flash. Label states - 1959 Kodiak 60" 40# Serial # BA269, No Coin - Rare Rosewood Sight Window

Sweet narrow little grip characteristic of many of the early 59 Kodiaks...

One short faint stress crack on each limb at riser...

Numbers are light, but still readable...

Typical early multi-colored overlays...
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Post by droptine59 » Thu Jan 21, 2010 2:19 pm

Wade Phillips wrote:Rich -

Wouldn't we all have a coronary if the guy is really straight up in what he said and now has two 56" 1959 Maple Sight Window Kodiaks in his possession....

:shock: :shock: :shock:

Guess stranger things may have happened, but I can't think of any off hand.
YIKES!!!!

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Post by adirondackbear » Thu Jan 21, 2010 2:34 pm

thanks Wade glad to be here. I have the high bid on it now will be out of reach before long im afraid. :shock: I just love the 56" Kodiaks I seem to shoot them great, not that i would be shooting that one much.I guess im just interested because Its a bow that nobody has seen ,,,, another..."Holy Grail" Bear bow I do love to shoot the Heavys.. but as a one an only example id make an exception ;)
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